Getting an error fixed on the main page of Conservapedia

Conservapedia is an alternative to Wikipedia set up by conservative educator and activist Andrew Schlafly in late 2006, after Schlafly experienced difficulties editing Wikipedia from a conservative viewpoint.  Schlafly says Wikipedia is full of errors (I agree) and that it censors the conservative viewpoint.  A few weeks ago I had some interactions with the Conservapedia administrators, summarized here, after an inflammatory article was placed into Conservapedia by a vandal or parodist.

Like Wikipedia, Conservapedia has a main page that introduces the encyclopedia.  Like Wikipedia, Conservapedia carries news on its front page.  Like Wikipedia, Conservapedia protects the main page content, meaning that you need special privileges to edit it.

How does Conservapedia handle serious errors of fact?  There has been some talk in the news media about Conservapedia’s authoritarian and heavy-handed spproach to those who disagree with the opinions of Andrew Schlafly, but how does Conservapedia handle a simple error of fact?

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There is no depth so low that a fundamentalist Christian cannot be found to plumb it

“Yesterday (Monday 9th February 2009) the front page of the Herald Sun newspaper reported ‘the darkest hour’ for Victoria. A few months ago the news media should have reported the darkest hour for the unborn, but unfortunately the decriminalisation of abortion bill went through parliament and was passed, thus making many people call Victoria the baby-killing state of Australia…In my dream I saw fire everywhere, with flames burning very high and uncontrollably. With this I woke up from my dream with the interpretation as the following words came to me in a flash from the spirit of God. That his conditional protection has been removed from the nation of Australia, in particular Victoria, for approving the slaughter of innocent children in the womb…Can we stop the fires? Yes we can! But it will take God’s children to rally together and repent and cry unto him as in 2 Chronicles 7:14 (The Holy Bible).” -Danny Nallah, Catch the Fire Ministries, February 10, 2009

RationalWiki parodist owns up to creating Conservapedia “hit list” article

Last Friday Ken Layne of the Wonkette political satire blog broke a story about an article on Andrew Schlafly’s Conservapedia wiki called “Senate Democrats from States with Republican Governors”, which was interpreted by Ken and others as a “helpful list of Senate Democrats to assassinate, so Republican governors can appoint GOP replacements”. Although Conservapedia quickly withdrew the article claiming it was created by a vandal or parodist, the story had legs, and when I published an article speculating that Conservapedia’s subsequent outage was connected to the article, it was picked up by PZ Myers and others, and, through referrals, has become by far the most popular article this blog has ever had, with over 4,000 page impressions to date.

And now, as the fuss dies down, a certain longtime RationalWiki user, Stile4aly, has come clean. A regular RationalWiki user since May, 2007, Stile4aly is unrepentant. “I’m glad it lasted as long as it did as it clearly exposed CP’s willingness to accept implied threats against liberals.” But in the same sentence he describes it as “pretty subtle parody”. This sounds like trying to have it both ways.

It does not reflect well on RationalWiki that the site owners turn a blind eye to this. Many of Conservapedia’s articles, particularly those on homosexuality, atheism, and Barack Obama, genuinely reflect Schlafly’s fringe views (including his obsessive belief that Obama is secretly a Muslim), but if there are people going in and deliberately inserting the most outrageous material they can, Schlafly and his adminstrators like TK can always say, with some justice, that his site has been compromised by vandals. In this case, despite my initial feelings about the matter, TK was right and I was wrong.

I am frustrated by this culture of vandalism and parody. My history on Wikipedia where we have successfully overwhelmed all attempts to cause such harm has given me a keen appreciation of the advantages of open editing, but on a much smaller wiki which is apparently already subject to quite heavy infiltration by people who mean no good, how am I to persuade the Conservapedians, as I have been trying to do, that open editing is a viable direction to take? I believe that the Conservapedians could be persuaded that permitting open editing, within their site policies, as Wikipedia already does, would improve their encyclopedia and earn it a reputation for quality. I have tried to show them good evidence gathered by Aaron Swartz suggesting that edits from one-time, casual editors have played a major part in building Wikipedia’s high quality content. But they are unlikely to appreciate the strength of this argument when faced with deliberate and organized attempts to embarrass them by planting parodic content.

Confessions of an accidental Conservapedian

As Conservapedia sysop TK kindly reported on the comments area of my last blog entry, Conservapedia’s outage was due to a simple disk crash. TK has taken me to task for hanging out with the wiki vandals on RationalWiki after they picked up on my blog entry. I have to admit that he has a point. Although politically Conservapedia and I are poles apart, I don’t condone deliberate attempts to harm wikis, whether for entertainment purposes or otherwise. So I’ve stopped writing on RationalWiki. I do still contribute to the thread I started on the Guardian talk boards in November, however, “Conservapedia Classic Quotes”, wherein I suck from the teat of mirth at Conservapedia’s expense.

TK also says he’s boggled at how many people see conspiracies and whatnot, and “react so mad-dog” where Conservapedia’s founder, Andy Schlafly, is concerned. I take that one squarely on the chin. I really was beginning to suspect that Andy had panicked and taken the site down, when there were much simpler and more plausible explanations to hand.

I’ve been relentlessly scathing about Conservapedia’s awful content, but one thing the site does seem to have achieved is high search engine rankings for some of its more outrageous articles. Despite a quite low rank on Alexa, around a quarter of’s page view and reach, Conservapedia manages to make the top ten google hits for atheism, and is currently in the top five for homosexuality. That’s no mean achievement. I’m no expert on search engine strategies so I’m at a loss to explain how they have achieved this, because a Google search on links to the homosexuality article turns up mostly internal Conservapedia links and assorted dross. Perhaps–and this is a wild guess, you understand–it’s because they often link to that article internally from the main page, and there are many external links to the main page, albeit many of them from sites like this that deride or criticize Conservapedia. However it’s been done, though, it’s quite something.

I signed on to Conservapedia a few weeks ago to participate in a debate about the way in which Conservapedia organizes, how this differs from Wikipedia, and how I think Conservapedia could benefit by adopting some of the more successful strategies of Wikipedia. You can read about it here. Overall I think they were pretty polite and well mannered. I know Conservapedia sysop Ed Poor and he knows me, from Wikipedia which I joined in late 2004 when Ed was still a prominent member of the relatively tightly knit Wikipedia community of those early days. We’ve gone our separate ways but we can still communicate quite well because Wikipedia and Conservapedia have just enough common culture.

That in the age of polarized politics a godless homosexualist liberal like me and a Conservative Unificationist like Ed Poor can still communicate reasonably well is a good thing. I think Andrew listened kindly, too, though he did use his site-owner’s prerogative to berate me for Wikipedia’s faults.

Conservapedia site crashes after posting an embarrassing “hit list”. This blogger adds 2+2, gets 5.

UPDATE: My speculation was incorrect. TK does think the editor was a parodist, particularly because of the choice of username, and the user has been blocked. The site really did have a normal early Wikipedia-style crash, and TK says that QWest will again be blocked when Conservapedia sorts out its systems issues. How many Conservapedia editors are real?

A few days ago the political satirist Wonkette noticed a very odd article on Conservapedia. It said:

The Constitution provides that if a senator is unable to complete his or her term then the governor of the state will appoint a replacement Senator. Below is a list of Senate Democrats from States with Republican Governors. Currently the Democrats hold a 58 seat majority in the Senate. If these Senators were unable to complete their terms and were replaced by qualified Republicans by their Republican governors, the Republican Party would regain a commanding majority in the Senate sufficient to prevent Barack Hussein Obama from socializing medicine, nationalizing the financial and auto industries, and creating a socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

There followed a list of about 14 Democratic Senators. Wonkette remarked on the peculiar wording, calling it a “Helpful List of Senate Democrats To Assassinate, So Republican Governors Can Appoint GOP Replacements”.

A few days after that the article was replaced with a message from an administrator called “TK”:

This “Article” Was The Work Of An Internet Parodist/Vandal

Conservapedia in no way sanctioned it, and cannot, because of the wiki format, completely stop the work of political terrorists, who are intent upon, dedicated to, mocking our conservative, Christian-friendly encyclopedia

Thank you.

–₮KAdmin/Talk Here 16:34, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Here, TK states outright that the article was created by an internet parodist or vandal.

Well sure, wikis are prone to unwanted text, often malicious, and creating spoof articles has even become a minor sport. But was this such a case? I decided to find out, so I looked at the history of the article. I found that the article had actually been created by a user called QWest, an established user who has contributed much content to Conservapedia. He alerted Conservapedia to Obama’s “My Muslim faith” gaffe, he contributed “Abstinence only sex education doesn’t work” to “Liberal Myths About Education”, he added items about the bacterial flagellum, consciousness, symbiosis and the bat to “Counterexamples to evolution”. He repeatedly tried to add Barack Obama to a list of prominent Muslims in the “Islam” article. He started the “Obama and socialism” section in the article on Barack Obama.

Now to some people, these may sound like crazy things to do, and so accordingly they may suspect that QWest was a parodist. I’m really not so sure. In fact, knowing the site, I’m pretty secure in the opinion that QWest is a real person and those are his real opinions. Site founder Andrew Schlafly himself believes Obama is covertly a Muslim, and the article on Obama still says that he “may be the first Muslim President”. The additions to “Counterexamples to evolution” are mostly absurd, but seem to be based on typical creationist misconceptions about evolution. And most people on the religious right still cling to the belief that abstinence-only education works.

I also noticed that TK had neither blocked QWest from editing, nor approached him on the wiki to communicate with him about his creation of inappropriate content.

I left a message on TK’s user talk page, informing him of his apparent error in blaming the creation of the article on a vandal or parodist, and outlined my findings about QWest’s history of good faith editing.

Shortly afterwards, the Conservapedia website started showing the following error message to all visitors, and refused to display any articles.

MediaWiki internal error.

Original exception: exception ‘DBQueryError’ with message ‘A database error has occurred Query: SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions, page_counter,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched, page_latest,page_len FROM `page` WHERE page_namespace = ‘0’ AND page_title = ‘Main_Page’ LIMIT 1 Function: Article::pageData Error: 1033 Table ‘./conserv8_media/page’ was created with a different version of MySQL and cannot be read (localhost) ‘ in /home/conserv8/public_html/includes/db/Database.php:606

As I write this, the Conservapedia site is back up, but not for editing. It appears to be redirecting to, which is running the wki from a locked copy of the Conservapedia database dated 19 January, 2009, shortly before the “hit list” article appeared. The most recent edit on the site is 22:13 GMT, or 17:13 EST.

At first I thought they had simply messed up a planned dbms upgrade, but there seems a little too much coincidence here.

Primaeval slime

If someone built a time machine, travelled back to 3.5 billion years ago, collected a sample of the primaeval slime, brought said sample back to the present, and showed this piece of Conservapedia fuckwittery to said sample of primaeval slime, the primaeval slime in question would curl up and die in despair at the thought that it went to all the trouble of launching 3.5 billion years of evolution of life on Earth, only to produce something whose palsied level of cognitive functioning was beneath that of a rock. Calilasseia on 26 Sep 2008 11:3, forum, on Andrew Schlafly, “re: Conservapedia wants to see Lenski’s research data”

The occasion of this remark is the long-running attempt by Andrew Schlafly, scientifically challenged founder of Conservapedia, to discredit the work of biologist Richard Lenski.

Conservapedia capers: Richard Dawkins

Here’s the idea: every now and then I take a Conservapedia article on a subject related to science and, without breaking a sweat over it, spot some major errors, then blog them and see how long it takes Conservapedia to fix them.

The article on Richard Dawkins dated 1349, 21 September, 2008  calls Dawkins’ Simonyi professorship into question with the apparent intention of implying that he has coopted the term “professor” without justification.  “Dawkins holds the post of Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, but whether this post was granted according to normal academic procedures is a matter of dispute,” it claims.

There is no dispute.  See this item from rationalwiki dated 2329, 22 September, 2008.  They contacted Merriam Webster and Oxford University, both of whom say he’s a professor.   He’s also, since 2001, a Fellow of the Royal Society, and they don’t hand those fellowships out like lollypops.  Only candidates  who have made “a substantial contribution to the improvement of natural knowledge, including mathematics, engineering science and medical science” are considered.  Conservapedia dismisses the body as “an increasingly political group of scientists that wrote a letter to Exxon telling it to stop opposing the liberal view of global warming,” which says more about Conservapedia than it says about the Royal Society.

The article seems to omit Dawkins’ biography.  One would read it in vain  if one expected to know about the place of his birth (Nairobi, Kenya), his marriages (Marian Stamp, Eve Barham, Lalla Ward), and children (Emma, by Eve Barham), where he got his doctorate (Balliol, under Niko Tinbergen).  This is basic information of the sort that most of us have read a thousand times on his book jackets.

The article is of course hopelessly slanted, and I have no hope that any article on Conservapedia will match other, more reputable sources for quality, but it could at least try to do a decent job of including the most basic facts.

Meanwhile, there’s always the Wikipedia article about Richard Dawkins which is probably reasonably accurate.

Beyond belief: up to 5 years for a joke about the Pope

No, it isn’t some lunatic fantasy of some depraved Catholic, it’s the reality of Italian law.

In 1929 the fascist leader of Italy, Benito Mussolini, signed the Lateran Treaty, part of which provided that an insult to the Pope carries the same penalty as an insult to the Italian President.  Bizarrely, insulting the President in Italy carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

In 2008, famous satirist Sabina Guzzanti told a political rally that within 20 years Italian teachers would be vetted and chosen by the Vatican. “But then,” she joked, “within twenty years the Pope will be where he ought to be, in Hell, tormented by great big poofter devils — and very active ones, not passive ones.”

Not very funny, but hardly heinous.  The deranged prosecutor of Rome disagreed and asked the Justice Ministry for permission to prosecute Ms Guzzanti for ” offending the honour of the sacred and inviolable person”of the Pope.

The Justice Ministry showed some sanity by refusing permission: “I decided not to authorise it, knowing well the stature and capacity of the Pope for forgiveness.”  Or perhaps because he realized what an insufferable twat the prosecutor was being.

Shame really, it could have been fun.  They really should repeal those hideous and stupid laws, though.

“Sex in confessionals” book angers religious kooks

“101 Places To Have Sex Before You Die” is a humorous catalog of unusual places in which to have sex, with facetious comments about the prognosis, advantages, and drawbacks of each.  One of its suggestions has unsurprisingly angered some people whose chosen occupation these days is to express anger.

Yes, it’s Bill Donohue again.  How did you guess?  Bill is thundering against the thing: “The kind of people who would have sex in the confessional would also have sex in a graveyard. And I don’t mean with each other,” he told the New York Post.  A spokesperson for the Archdiocese of New York said “This is sick stuff and the authors and the book publishers should be ashamed of themselves…Let’s hope the reaction from people is… strong.”

Thanks to both for letting us all know about this–previously unheard-of–booklet.  Who knows what damage might have been caused had it remained in obscurity.

Apparently the times to avoid are Sundays and church feast days, when parishioners are likely to want to use the church for other purposes.  The book lists drawbacks as “splinters, ex-communication, Peeping (Father) Tom.”  Kudos goes to, who ran the story under the headline “O Come All Ye Faithful.”

In 2002, Simon & Schuster, the publisher’s sister company Viacom was fined $357,000 for an ad for a radio station that showed a couple having sex in St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

The book is due to be published in Britain in early November, just in time for Christmas.

Pope didn’t tell frog to hop it after all

ArtInfo reports that contrary to many reports in the global press last week, the Pope has not anathematized Kermit. (See Crucified cartoon frog angers Pope).

Apparently the person who wrote the letter brandished by Franz Pahl, the hunger-striking Bolzano politician, isn’t the Pope.  He’s the Vatican State Secretary.  That’s just fine.  100 words per minute and a Masters degree in spotting blasphemy, but no tiara.